
Servier Interviews
Stage 4 Cholangiocarcinoma Survivor Steve Holmes
Survival Is Deliberate, Creative Persistence. Some Call That Luck
About InterviewÂ
Servier, a global pharmaceutical company founded in 1954 by Jacques Servier in OrlĂŠans, France, has evolved into a patient-centric organisation committed to therapeutic progress. Initially a small enterprise with nine employees, it has since expanded to over 150 countries, employing approximately 21,900 individuals worldwide.
In January 2025, Servierâs European film crew conducted an online interview with both Claire and me, focusing on my journey as a Stage 4 cholangiocarcinoma survivor. This interview is part of the activities leading up to World Cholangiocarcinoma Day (20th February 2025) and aligns with our âLight Australia Greenâ initiative.
This collaboration underscores the shared commitment of Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation Australia and Servier to address patientsâ unmet needs, particularly in hard-to-treat cancers. Servierâs SHAPE program (Support Harmonized Advances for better Patient Experience) exemplifies this dedication by co-creating tools with patients, caregivers, and healthcare professionals to provide critical support for those facing cholangiocarcinoma (CCA).
The SHAPE CCA Workshop held in May 2024 brought together patients, caregivers, and oncology specialists to identify key challengesâsuch as delayed diagnosis, a lack of specialist knowledge among healthcare providers, and the emotional and logistical burdens of navigating this disease. As a result, Servier is co-developing an informational resource to address these gapsâcovering early genetic testing, nutritional support, mental resilience, treatment pathways, clinical trials, and expert referral networks.
To ensure broad accessibility, the resource will be available in a hybrid digital and hardcopy format, with strategic distribution through oncologists, patient organisations, and advocacy networks to maximize reach and impact.
By participating in this interview, we aim to elevate awareness, strengthen patient and caregiver support networks, and advocate for a more proactive response to cholangiocarcinoma. Servierâs evolving patient-first approach aligns closely with our foundationâs mission to empower patients and caregiversâensuring they have the tools, knowledge, and strategic response needed to navigate their journey with clarity and resilience.
January 2025:
Interview begins:Â
Servier:
Steve Holmes was diagnosed with late-stage cholangiocarcinomaâa cancer with no early detection, no effective treatment options, and no cure outside of surgery. With limited options and a rapidly declining condition, Steve faced a stark reality:
He had seen cholangiocarcinoma take his younger brother just two years earlier. He knew survival wouldnât come from simply receiving the standard of careâit would have to come from something more.
That began with how he would respond.
But this wasnât about an all-out fight. Not this time.
âAfter my brother Graemeâs effort, I knew I couldnât win in a head-on battle. That approach exhausted me of the precious energy I needed. Instead, I had to get alongside this cancerâto walk alongside it, to study it, to learn its ways.
I had to either cut a deal with this seemingly unbeatable cancer or seize on an opportunity to break it grip on me.
Either way, I knew one thing:
I had to understand this beast. Or perish as my brother had.â
In this interview, Steve shares how he developed the Optimal Patient Response (OPR) strategy, why bile health matters, and what every newly diagnosed patient needs to know.
Q1: Steve, can you tell us about your journey and what led you to co-found the Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation Australia?
Steve:
I didnât set out to start a foundation. I set out to survive.
Stage 4 cholangiocarcinomaâno manual, no roadmap, no second chances.
When youâre diagnosed with this cancer, youâre not looking for âcare.â Youâre looking for a strategy. A way to beat it. But what I found was a health system locked in a care-based culture.
Cholangiocarcinoma has no early detection. No meaningful treatment options. No cure outside of surgery. And even thenâonly 15% qualify for surgery, with an 85% recurrence rate.
Do the math. Thatâs just 2.5% chance of surviving five years post-surgery.
Hereâs the truth: You donât beat this cancer by simply following the standard of care. You have to take risks.
I needed a strategy beyond âstandard of careâ to outmaneuver those odds.
Iâm naturally curious. And I cycleâa lot. Thatâs what ignited my possibilities and as it transpired – opportunities happened. I met a surgeon and then a little later an oncologist who thought like meâfellow cyclists, naturally curious, persistent in nature and willing to explore beyond care.
So in two different settings, I was able to seize on a possibility that I would not have otherwise not seen. Each helped me to the net stepping stone where I could see now possibilities and response strategies. High-risk. All this was outside or beyond the conventional standard of care, all were unproven. But necessary.
While I didnât know if these strategies would workâin fact, they didnâtâeach still provided a stepping stone to the next. These stepping stones of effort became the seed of what would later be named the Optimal Patient Response (OPR).
And in turn, OPR triggered the formation of the Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation Australia.
Because we learned that survival isnât just about the treatment you receive. Itâs about how you see, understand, and choose to respond to your diagnosis.
And thatâs whatâs missing in the clinical setting.
A cancer diagnosis is the first time your team comes together. But teams donât win without a strategy and a strategy needs coaches and players who are all in sync. Right now, in clinical settings, thatâs missing, and that is where our focus must be.
Q2: Steve, Tell Us About the FoundationâIts Objectives, and What Makes It Unique?
Steve:
The Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation Australia wasnât something we plannedâit was something that became necessary.
Because there was a massive gap. When I began, there were no established first-line treatment options, no central patient community, and no baseline knowledge to help patients understand or take action.
We werenât just lacking treatmentsâwe had no way of knowing how to respond effectively.
Most cancer organizations focus on awareness, research, and treatment fundingâall essential.
But very few lead from the patient coalface itself, where the absolute intricacies of survival are fully understoodâwhere survival is actually determined.
Our foundation had to be differentâit had to be effective at the coalface of this battle. It had to be represented at every levelâfrom patients and families to research, healthcare, and policy. It had to ensure that todayâs and tomorrowâs cutting-edge science and advancements actually reached patients and their clinicians in a way that benefited them now, not years down the track.
That meant it needed to be:
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Patient-led and patient-centred
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Professional and proficient in science, healthcare, and best practice
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Built to actively drive survival response strategies and processes through the patient lensânot just talk about them
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Transform the care culture into a response culture
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Innovateâlead research from the patientâs perspective, ensuring it translates to real-world survival outcomes
Thatâs What Sets Us Apart.
We are a uniquely patient-led cancer research and advocacy organisation, with deep expertise in cholangiocarcinoma and other bile-related cancers like liver, gallbladder, and pancreatic cancers.
That means we ensure science doesnât just sit in research journalsâit reaches todayâs patient toolkit.
But we donât just talk about survival and curesâwe initiate, innovate, lead, and build strategies and processes to make them possible.
â We put patients in the co-pilotâs seat.
â We embed lived experience and expertise into medical decision-making.
â We build bridges between patients, researchers, and clinicians.
â We surround ourselves with people of talent, expertise, and great characterânot just care.
This isnât just about fighting a disease.
Itâs about leading a response culture that outpaces it.
And we know this: Success is built on the right people.
We know that great character amplifies talent and outcomes.
We bring in those who share the vision and have the ability to lift it to new realities.
Because patients donât just need treatments.
They need strategies.
And Thatâs Why Our Foundation Exists.
Our Core Mission: A Patient-Led, Research-Driven Model
With no cure, limited treatment options, and a 5-year survival rate of only 5%, we canât rely on treatment alone.
Patients must lead with responsibility. And we must provide the pathway and means for them to achieve this.
We must set and lead the cultureârising above our pain, leading by example, and being proactive co-pilots, not passive passengers.
By doing so, we inspire the scientists and healthcare professionals who work tirelessly for our survival.
Our response shapes the future of their effortsâand how we respond to this disease.
Because when we simplify, we understand.
When we understand, we engage.
When we engage, we respond effectively.
And when we respond effectively, we improve survival outcomes.
Key Focus Areas
1. Optimal Patient Response (OPR): A Blueprint for Survival
We embed patient response strategies and processes into and beyond the clinical setting.
â Patient Navigator Journal Series â Breaks down the cancer journey into actionable steps.
â Mutational Translator â Simplifies complex genetic data into patient-friendly language, increasing engagement.
â Patient-Endorsed Medical Registry â Connects patients with high-flow cholangiocarcinoma expertise and experience.
â Second Opinion Project â Ensures patients can efficiently connect with medical professionals who have the expertise and experience to match their specific diagnosis.
â NGS Integration â Ensuring Next-Generation Sequencing is at the heart of patient response, expanding patient options from the point of diagnosis, increasing engagement, and making precision medicine & clinical trials more accessible.
2. Bile Health Research: Investigating the Root Cause
â Supporting and funding research into toxic bile conditions as a precursor to bile-related cancers.
â Developing early detection and proactive intervention strategies.
3. Building a Focused, Professional Community
â Blending expertise from patients, researchers, and clinicians to create comprehensive response networks.
â Professionalising the patient and caregiver contribution to healthcare.
â Serving as a model for other cancer types worldwide.
The Challenge Weâre Fighting
Cholangiocarcinoma is at the centre of a worsening health crisis, with cases rising by 60% in the past decadeâand increasingly affecting younger Australians (ages 30-50).
This aggressive cancer offers no meaningful treatments beyond surgeryâwhich is only an option for 15% of patientsâand 85% of them experience recurrence.
For most patients, the disease becomes metastatic.
Survival rates quickly reduce to 2.5%.
Overall survival remains stuck between 3-7%.
This urgent challenge demands real solutionsânot just awareness.
Weâre here to lead that change and inspire those who have the talent and experience to help improve survival faster.
Q3: Steve, You Mentioned An Unexpected Responsibility – Could you Elaborate?
Steve:
I hadnât just survivedâI became one of the first to survive from a late-stage setting. And in that moment, I realized: I now had an unexpected responsibility.
I endured 25 hours of invasive, multi-organ surgeries. A near-fatal hepatic artery aneurysm. A failed clinical trial that tested me beyond what I thought I could endure. And when the cancer returned aggressively, I was offered a highly speculative, unproven Phase 2 clinical trialâone that wasnât even available when I began my response.
It wasnât a difficult decision. Because there was nothing else. I was declining fast. A tiny window of opportunity had opened.
I had already seen this cancer defeat my younger brother just two years earlier. The decision to pull the trigger was easy.
I had never heard the term NGS: Next-Generation Sequencing or molecular profilingâa process where they examine a small piece of the tumor to see what itâs made of, whatâs wrong, and what mutations are driving its growth. What was truly remarkable? They could match those mutations to precision immunotherapy drugsâtargeting exactly what they found.
That trial saved my life.
It wasnât luck. It was rooted in who I am.
I learned that I truly did have an open mind and a willing personality. It kept the lights on, even in my darkest momentsâallowing opportunity to always find its way back to me.
And because I was so focused on each step, on doing it well, the overwhelming weight of this seemingly unbeatable cancer never distracted me from what I needed to do.
It became the right opportunity and the right response at the right time.
And thatâs why I co-founded Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation Australia.
Because patients donât just need treatment.
They need response strategies from the moment of diagnosis.
Together with my wife, and caregiver, Claire, we built what was missing at the coalface of this deadly battle.
We created a patient-led research and advocacy model.
We structured and professionalized the patient and caregiver response.
Because true progress doesnât happen in isolation.
For medical advancements to make a real impact, they must reach and benefit todayâs patientsâtoday.
And for that to become a reality, we needed to educate patients, their caregivers, and their families.

Q4: Why is Next-Generation Sequencing (NGS) such a priority in patient response?
Steve:
Because the data changes everything.
A biopsy isnât just a tissue sampleâitâs a window into the enemy. It tells us what the tumor is made of, what mutations are driving it, andâmost criticallyâwhether it matches a cutting-edge treatment or clinical trial that could save a life.
For a cholangiocarcinoma patient, this is where the opportunities are. This isnât an afterthought. This should be embraced from the moment of diagnosis.
And yetâNGS isnât standard practice.
Cholangiocarcinoma has no curative options. NGS expands those options. Itâs not a luxury. Itâs not a bonus. Itâs an absolute priority.
In the end, it was the only way I survived.
But letâs be clear: Survival isnât a single step. Itâs not just âget the right treatmentâ and live. Itâs a series of stepsâeach critical, each necessary, each the difference between life and death.
At the core of Optimal Patient Response (OPR) is a simple principle: Break the response down into small, understandable pieces. Achievable steps. Make it to the next step. Do it well. Then move forward.
The alternative? Get overwhelmed. Collapse under the weight of the whole fight. And lose.
This strategy kept me focused on what I could control. It kept me moving. It allowed me to function at higher levelsâeven when I was weak, even when I could barely move. And ultimately, it gave me the best chance to reach a trial that wasnât even available when I began my response.
Thatâs the reality of cancer.
Thatâs how you respond to it.
Because you donât just need treatmentâyou need a strategy.
NGS isnât just a testâitâs the bridge. The bridge between outdated treatments and potentially life-saving options that havenât yet become mainstream.
It unlocks precision medicine, clinical trials, and breakthrough therapies that most patients donât even know exist.
And yetâtoo many patients are never told about it.
Too many doctors dismiss it or cling to a flawed âwait-and-seeâ approach.
And in that hesitation, the power of this window closes quickly.
Too many opportunities are lost.
Thatâs unacceptable.
We push for NGS as a baseline priority in a response strategyâso itâs integrated from the start, not as a last resort. Because assumptions cost lives. And wasted time is time we donât get back.
The Guiding Principle of OPR:
Simplification â Increases Understanding
Understanding â Increases Engagement
Engagement â Enhances Effective Response
Effective Response â Improves Survival Outcomes
This is how we make clinical trials more accessible.
This is how we give patients a greater fighting chance.
Because the standard of care isnât a strategy in a cancer that outpaces it.
A deliberate, creatively persistent response strategy is.
Hope is real. It is a strategy.
I believe NGS provides real hope to patientsânot just as an idea, but as a strategy to move beyond the conventional approach. It opens doors to new possibilities, new opportunitiesâeach one translating into a greater chance of survival.
Q5: Steve, You Talk About âResponseâ A LotâCan You Explain?
Steve:
Because response is everything. It is a culture.
A cancer diagnosis is not a passive event. It demands action, strategy, and execution.
Right now, the culture is built around care. First-line standards of care exist for a reasonâyes, care is important, and it should be baked in at every step.
But care has also become the defaultâan excuse to avoid reaching, taking risks, or pushing for more.
I believe that an entrenched care culture weakens the patientâs capacity to rise above their diagnosisâto become the best patient and co-pilot they can be.
Look at the survivors of this cancer. The common denominator among them?
They embraced and optimized a response culture.
If every patient were to adopt this mindset, the healthcare system would initially feel uncomfortableâpushed beyond its default settings.
But discomfort is growth.
At first, it would feel awkward. Pressured.
But soon? It would become the new normal.
With cholangiocarcinomaâand all bile-related cancersâsurvival demands more than care. It demands response.
Because care happens to you. Response is something you do.
Cholangiocarcinoma moves too fast for a âwait and seeâ approach. You donât have time for passivity. You need a deliberate planâone that exceeds passive care and demands action.
Itâs not just about treatment. Itâs about how you respond.
Response is a culture, a strategy, and a process. Itâs how you navigate this challenge. How you make decisions.
Itâs knowing what you canât controlâand what you can.
And thatâs where you focus all your attentionâyour energy.
And most importantlyâresponse is infectious. It creates momentum. It sharpens clarity. It empowers action.
Itâs a response culture that fully embraces NGS, precision treatments, and clinical trials.
Hereâs What Response Looks Like:
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Know your diagnosis inside and out.
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Understand your biomarkers. Get NGS from the beginning to see every option.
⥠If you canât, ask for help. The community, the foundationâwe have specialised family friendly solutions for exactly this.
⥠This is at the heart of our OPR initiativeâpatient-led, patient-first, patient-centric and family-friendly.
⥠Empower the patient, increase survival. Empower their communityâexponentially increase survival.
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Engage earlyâdonât wait for treatment to fail before seeking trials.
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Surround yourself with people of cholangiocarcinoma-specific expertise, experience, talent, and great character.
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Never stop asking questions.
Response is the difference between working on surviving and simply receiving care.
Because this cancer generally outpaces care.
But it will have difficulty outpacing a well-executed response.
Q6: Whatâs the Biggest Barrier to Progress in Cholangiocarcinoma?
Steve:
Complacency. And a lack of expertise where it matters most.
Cholangiocarcinoma is increasing rapidly, yet itâs still considered ârare and unbeatable.â
I think being addressed as rare creates a false sense of comfort, it kills momentum. It limits creative persistence in the clinical setting. It slows research, funding, and innovation.
This is a cancer that doesn’t have the luxury of complacency or waiting.
So instead? We must lead. We must inspire. We must galvanise. Until our efforts demonstrate value and force a rethink.
We canât afford to waste precious energy, resources, or time lobbying for what isnât being done. Instead, we focus on what we can doâand we do it relentlessly.
Because momentum isnât built by criticising whatâs missingâitâs built by creating and leading whatâs needed.
Hereâs the Reality:
- Clinicians are highly skilled. They diagnose, apply standards of care, follow best practices.
- But theyâre not as adept or equipped to prepare patients for the challenge of cancer – this mostly occurs outside the clinical setting, but has great impact on the clinical setting.
- The great majority of Patients arenât equipped. They arenât empowered within the diagnosis process.
And because of that, they canât contribute meaningfully to their own survival.
- The other issue? Disjointed and disconnected efforts.
Research, pharma, clinical practice, and patients operate in silos, often competing for the same research dollar.
No integration. No shared strategy. No progress where it matters most – patient survival
Thatâs Why Weâre Building Effective Professional Communities.
- Bringing together expertise, experience, and patient insight.
- Unifying knowledge across research, pharma, and clinical practice.
- Embedding the patient voiceâwhere it belongs.
- Ensuring that the expertise gained from lived experience is blended with professional expertise and innovation.
Because thatâs how we drive real, scalable change.

Q7: What Do You Say to Newly Diagnosed Patients?
Steve:
Most patients reach out to me by phone or messenger.
By the time they do, theyâre often despondentâexhausted from navigating the conventional pathways, drained by emotional stress, and out of options. Their caregivers and families are equally overwhelmed. Many of the best opportunities have already passed them by.
My first step is always triage.
I help them regain their balance. I calm them, reframe their thinking, and give them direction and purpose.
Then, we assess.
I audit their entire pathwayâwhat they know, what they donât, and, most importantly, whatâs been missed. More often than not, critical opportunities were overlooked. Sometimes itâs a personality clash with a doctor that derailed progress. Other times, itâs a health system under stressâespecially in hospitals that donât handle high-flow cases of cholangiocarcinoma.
Cholangiocarcinoma demands a high-flow medical environment to maximize survival.
This is non-negotiable.
The First Four Questions Every Patient Must Answer
1ď¸âŁ Where is your primary tumour?
- Have you had your tumour biopsied and molecularly profiled?
- Do you know your biomarkers and mutations?
2ď¸âŁ Can you have surgery?
- Have you discussed with your surgeon whether surgery is possible?
- If not, have you asked what must happen for surgery to be an option?
- What can you do to improve your eligibility?
3ď¸âŁ Does your medical team have specific, high-flow experience in cholangiocarcinoma?
- Knowing cholangiocarcinoma is not the same as having expertise in treating it.
- How many cholangiocarcinoma patients do they treat per week? Per month?
4ď¸âŁ Have you sought a second opinion?
- Second and even third opinions matterâsurgery is the only known curative option.
- Leave no stone unturned.
If the answer is no to any of these, we start there. Because every missed detail could mean a missed opportunity.
These questions give me a clear overview of their understanding, knowledge gaps, and potential opportunities.
I give them tasks and steps to complete.
Because steps create focus.
Focus replaces chaos with clarity.
And clarity leads to effective action.
But beyond the questionsâmy role as an experienced patient is simple:
I help them help themselves. This is an important feature.
Next is the mental reinforcement:
You cannot control that you have cancer. That part is done.
But you can fully control how you respond.
This thinking is deliberate and practiced yet must become your new normal.
Most importantlyâdonât assume anything, assumptions undermine the effort.
- Become the best patient you can possibly be.
- Be a critical thinker.
- Be creatively persistent.
- Be open-minded.
- Be willingâwithout conditions.
Because if you remain open to this way of thinking,
opportunity will always have a pathway to you.
It will help you see possibilities you didnât see before.
Q8: Whatâs Next? Where Do Newly Diagnosed Patients Go From Here?
Steve:
Three things:
1ď¸âŁ Order your Free Patient Navigator Journal
- Follow the stepsâit breaks the overwhelming challenge into manageable pieces.
2ď¸âŁ Join the Patient and Caregiver Community
- This is a team of patients like you. Itâs a place of strategy, experience, and support.
- The fastest way to learn is from those ahead of you on the same path.
3ď¸âŁ Find a Patient-Endorsed Medical Professional
- High-flow expertise in cholangiocarcinoma makes a measurable difference.
- The right team is a life-or-death component of your decisionmaking.
4ď¸âŁ Register for a Mentor
- Someone who has been exactly where you are.
- Who can help you see the opportunities you might miss?
5ď¸âŁ Sign up for our CCA Email Newsletter
- Stay updated with the latest research, trials, and strategies.
Newly diagnosed patients & caregivers: Because we are a team in the same boat. We each must pick up an oar and row. We will help you help yourself. But you must learn to row. We are in this together.
Closing Thoughts
You cannot control that you have cancer. That part is done. But you fully control how you respond. If you can embrace this it will reshape your perception of cancer and how you approach it.
Ready to Take Action? Hereâs Where to Start:
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Order Your Free Patient Navigator Journal
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Join the Patient & Caregiver Community
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Find a Patient-Endorsed Medical Professional
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Sign Up for the CCA Email Newsletter
This is the roadmap. The first step is yours.
Visit Steve’s Personal Website to see the complete pictureÂ
www.steveholmes.net.au
This Is Where We Need You.
Claire and I have funded this initiative form our own pocket from day one.
We receive no government supportâevery initiative, every breakthrough, every fight has been driven by us and by this community.
Weâve done it because it needed to be done. Because if weâthe patients and caregivers of cholangiocarcinomaâdo not lead, nothing will be done.
But we can not continue to do this on our own, especially if we are to continue these positive inroads and, to push further, to scale our research and advocacy, to continue embedding the patient voice where it matters mostâwe really do need your help.
Your support directly fuels:
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 The Optimal Patient Response Initiative (OPR) â Educating and equipping patients during diagnosis to improve survival rates.
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 Research into toxic bile as a root cause of cancer â Advancing prevention and early detection strategies.
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 Advocacy efforts â Ensuring cholangiocarcinoma patients are heard, represented, and empowered at every level.
Ways You Can Support This Movement:
- Make a donation â Every contribution fuels patient-led research and advocacy.
- Fund a research initiative â Create a lasting legacy by naming or co-sponsoring a project.
- Get involved â Join us in driving real, patient-led change.
- To express interest or discuss: Contact Claire claire@cholangio.org, or jill@cholangio.orgÂ
This is not just about funding.
This is about action.
This is about survival.
If you believe in this mission, stand with us.
Because this is how we make the impossible, inevitable.




